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i'm tom hardy is a big issue. i've . continued. are things in our country. that might actually be time for a revolution. and it turns out that a popular drink at starbucks has a surprising. it's
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nine thirty pm on the east coast and here's where we stand with constant has been called for president obama to bring the electoral numbers to one fifty four for romney and one fifty three for obama for more on this let's bring back mike happened tonio attorney and co-host bring in fire radio. hey mike thanks for joining us tonight are you there do we have mike. there you go thanks thanks thanks a lot for joining us mike what what what are you what's your take on the length of the lines i am continually astounded by the fact that the corporate media the mainstream media in the united states is not reporting long lines in. particularly in minority districts particularly in swing states as what it is alexion suppression or voter suppression of a variation in election fraud that's been done institutionally by republicans in
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power in these states why isn't the bigger question is why this happened when you have republican governors so i mean isn't that the bigger question haven't we seen this in the past haven't we seen it when the republicans were in charge of ohio the last haven't we seen it when when republicans were charge of florida. so i mean look there are some things that are more than temporal relationships there are some things we look at and we can't ignore the facts the media has done a very poor job to talk in terms about what voter suppression is but here it's right in front of their eyes and you know you know what tomorrow regardless of what happens and i do believe obama is going to win i really do believe that based on the numbers of them soon but. everybody is going to forget what happened here they're going to forget that you had minority voters waiting six and seven hours to vote while just across the tracks just across the broods the affluent white voter
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waited fifteen minutes they're going to forget that story and then we're not going to do anything for the next two years until it occurs again that's our nature we want to believe that things take care of themselves but all we have to do is look at history this is there's no there's no mistake about what we're seeing here go back and look at the history this is happened before well i thought it was really interesting too tom before we went on air you were telling me on your radio show your call in show that you had so many people calling in and reporting issues many of them in pennsylvania freaking out people in pennsylvania saying they showed up to vote and they were told that they were not registered to vote one guy actually went home and looked up his registration online and it was still there and he went back to the precinct and they said no we don't have it it's like who printed these books as so you've got voter suppression orders mistakes happening in pennsylvania same thing in ohio we had we had african-americans calling up after greg palast came on and reported that they were given absentee ballots which don't even get
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counted until later and and i just had this avalanche of phone calls from largely african-american people in ohio saying yup that happened to me this this is nuts i mean path and that's what i was going to ask you why aren't we hearing about this on the mainstream media this is clearly happening well because it doesn't sell you see the way the mainstream media looks like is if there's a whiny story people are whining because they have to wait people are whining because the republicans have simply tried to disenfranchise and people are whining the serious reporters if you if you cover what brad friedman has done on there's another handful of great reporters that have been following this for years take a look at what history shows us and then understand the. those aren't stories that traditional media care about because it takes some digging it takes it takes a little bit of effort to show him you can graph this we've done it on our show we've created graphs for our show where we've talked about all you have to do is go
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back and look at the history was the republican governor was the republican legislature was there an effort years before to try to figure out how to narrow the field of voters and you'll see it it's not this isn't guesswork this isn't whining this is the very essence of democracy when we get to the point where traditional media is so damn dysfunctional that they don't understand that we're talking about the heart of democracy and we seem willing to ignore those stories tomorrow i promise you there will not be stories that are meaningful stories that will lead to the have a shelf life of more than one week after this election regardless of how important the conduct is. and that's that's just fundamentally wrong pappe you you do a radio show with robert kennedy jr with bobby kennedy every week you are in law practice with him you are very very politically astute so is he i'm curious your
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just overview your analysis your political analysis of what's happening tonight in the in the elections well i think what's happening is this you have to the republicans picked too many wars you can't pick a war on women a war on labor a low war of the poor of war on minorities a war on the auto industry you can't you can't choose all these wars a war an intellectual ism a war on gender choice you have too many wars going on and what it did is it took them away from the single focus if you recall we've all heard those magic words that came from james carville's mouth during the clinton years and that is it's the economy stupid they were incapable of focusing on that because they had a hearty that has become dysfunctional dissolve it had been taken over by the lunatics who have been taken over by the fringe lunatics such as that is the weird in evangelical right the tea bag movement they were incapable of arriving at
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a simple theme instead they picked wars with everybody and i think we're going to see that play itself out tonight and i think if you really look at the numbers as they sort of didn't float during this campaign some of the times when romney was at his best at his highest for example was right after that debate when when we saw a very moderate mitt romney when we saw somebody who didn't you know wasn't trying to play to his base as much what's going to be the takeaway if governor romney loses tonight what is the takeaway for the republican party do they need to have a serious conversation about saying hey if we really want to win elections and by the way we might see this tonight in some of the senate races in indiana we thought you know long. longtime republican senator dick lugar you know lose his seat in the primaries. will they have a conversation about maybe trying to play to the middle a little more they've tried to build a party with low hanging fruit and what they have to do is decide now they have to
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rebuild the infrastructure they have to say no to the evangelical fringe that even richard nixon was wise enough to say no i don't want to be a part of that they have to be willing to say no to this t.v. this tea party fringe that is it's that's made them able to be a legitimate political party now look we can take all of the individual stories that we've heard time and again as this campaign has gone forward but the point is there is that error of around this party there's that aura around this party that is barely a legitimate party anymore because it has been overtaken by lunatics they have lost control of their party the people who have to rebuild that have to have the car have to have the courage and the character to say no this is a party of eisenhower again this is a party at least of barry goldwater again we are real conservatives we're not lunatics who simply reach out to every fringe we can we can try to garner and bring
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them in as part of this new thing called the tea party g.o.p. but it's destructive and this isn't this this is a lesson that they've you know how to learn time and time again you know we've seen this we saw this happen in a couple of congressional races back in two thousand and ten some of the special elections where you know they. ended up electing in the primary of the sort of very right wing more or french person who then lost in the general election so i mean what's it going to take for this just to be sort of the mainstream think in the republican party until you eat until this party evolves away from the leader. we call rove is nothing more than a hold. over from woodrow who's a student a leo he is a student of lee atwater and until the turd blossom is asked to go away that we don't want your caliber of politics we want decent politics we want to look like a party of decency again where we include all americans where we understand we
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can't win an election by simply gathering all the late low low hanging fruit in this country and expect it to be sustainable it's bashfully in light of the fact that we're getting ready to see a major demographic change that's going to take place in the next four years the reason they had to win the reason they had to win tonight was because if they didn't they didn't have the chance to prepare for that four years where they could have made national changes that would have made it more difficult to vote where they could have picked up more governorships that would have made it difficult to vote they had to win tonight because they understand the numbers just like all of us do we look at the numbers just like they do and we see the latino demographics changing the african-american change demographics changing we see a general a generational shift that is remarkable to where they can't cannot even do this day they can't they're not going to be able to count on going to places like alabama and mississippi and south carolina in assuming that those are given locked states
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those are states that could come into play at some and also they wanted to dale down the supreme court we have four members of the supreme court over in their seventy's three of them over seventy five years old and that's a that's a b.f.d. coming up by the way new hampshire has just been called by c.b.s. news for president obama a swing state and and also indiana representative joe donnelly is being called by fox as the winner of the senate seat replacing senator richard lugar we were talking about just a moment ago the count now one hundred fifty seven electoral votes for president obama hundred fifty four for governor romney pap in the in the minute we have left i'm just curious your thoughts and you're going through your list your thoughts on this. in court going forward well the supreme court if if we can change what's happening right now if obama is elected we can reverse the dismal awful events that have taken place wanted a supreme court that they're not really judges they become political hacks the
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majority is nothing more than political hacks we can change that if obama will do what he's been unwilling to do and that is jump in and be aggressive with all the courts the federal courts at every level trial level appellate level all the way to the supreme court it's something he's misunderstood from the time he took office and now we're all paying for that and in just a couple of quick words does it concern you that there's nobody or i think maybe one person on the court who actually has any criminal law experience. well it's worse than that it's beyond that if you look at most of them most of all most of them come from hugely political ideology that their political hacks and true since i don't you i don't use that word lightly they simply are people have come through the political ladder they've been a they've been promoted through the political ladder most of them have very very undistinguished judicial backgrounds not just in criminal but in civil as well all right might happen tony i want to thank you so much for joining us once again this
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evening aren't you thanks pam archies coverage of the two thousand and twelve elections will continue right after this break. here's mitt romney trying to figure out. that the american. guys. our goal. was to feature a little bit closer. to the others.
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are going to distract us from what you and i should care about because they're profit driven industry that sells us sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm out to martin and we're going to break that. welcome to the capital and i'm lauren lyster. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decision to breakthrough had already been
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made can you trust no one who is in the field and with a global mission we see where we had a state controlled capital so it's called sasha's when nobody dares to ask me do you are t. question more. of the backyard cheese election night coverage we have some news to report so let's get back to our elections night analyst sam sacks sam as you tom thank you christine ok our first battleground states tonight some of them are ready to be called we're getting reports that wisconsin has now been called for president obama now of course governor this was kind of ground zero we've been saying all night of electoral politics this is where governor scott walker launched
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a solid unions unions fought back at a recall election that walker won but his party has now lost the state in the presidential election also c.b.s. news is now reporting another battleground state new hampshire goes to president obama so those are two key battleground states both of them now go to the president more bad news for mitt romney the campaign thought they had a chance to win pennsylvania know pennsylvania goes to president obama also michigan this is this is mitt romney's home state that goes to president obama and mitt romney is probably thinking right about now that he shouldn't have written an op ed calling for detroit to go bankrupt the rest the rest of the battleground states are still too close to call colonel after all numbers are. one sixty two president obama one fifty four mitt romney this is the president's first lead of the night so far in the electoral count of course it doesn't mean much yet until they get to seventy ok let's talk about the senate there are twelve close senate races republicans need to win eight of them to take control the senate
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we've got sherrod brown winning in ohio this was a race that's a lot of corporate money dumped into it to elect tea partier josh mendell but they lost sherrod brown is going to remain in the senate in pennsylvania bob casey went to the senate seat over tom smith this is another senate race republicans hope to win they lose that interesting story coming out of maine maine is where libya snowe the republican senator kind of a moderate she retired and independent has won maine angus king he's expected to caucus with the democrats so that's really a pick up for the democrats in the senate and we can also now report this is a big win for progressives here elizabeth warren has now won massachusetts. and also we're getting this is this is really huge actually i mean this was ted kennedy's seat scott brown won in two thousand and ten when the tea party revolt and it looks like two years later elizabeth warren is going to reclaim it for democrats shifting the party a little bit to the left in the senate are also getting killed conflicting reports
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out of wisconsin. we had some news outlets reported as over some are still too close to call but tammy baldwin who's trying to be the first openly gay tended to elect to the senate but she is close to winning that see we're going to still keep an eye on that. will you know we'll see what happens that's what i have for you that's all i have now more we get some more results back to you guys tom christine thanks sam. marc harrold welcome back thanks for joining us i want to talk about sandwiches talking about one of the outgoing senator senator olympia snowe from maine this is one of the people that when you know the affordable care act was looking to be passed you know they look to her they look to her to reach across the aisle and she comes from an era where reaching across the aisle you know working with the other party was not that out of the ordinary this is one of the reasons she says i got to get out of here because you know the partisanship has become so
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ridiculous another person who said that of course barney frank from massachusetts who also sort of retired this year left so much talk about this if the president holds on to the white house will this change. this extreme partisanship. i really wish that it would but i think one of the main things that has definitely not been discussed and people will write books about is there was a wave election in two thousand and six as a wave election in two thousand and eight a wave election in two thousand and ten we had three wave election back to back to back and so what that gets you that gets you a house and a senate that doesn't have as much experience reaching across the aisle that hasn't really lived long enough to win and then have the guy that you beat be the one guy you need the next time around and so they haven't really seen that kind of full life of what a legislative kind of career should be i think it will be a snow is not alone a lot of folks for their i mean it is blood sweat and tears to get
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a lot of these bills passed particularly somebody who worked very hard on the financial you know financial issues and her committees to suddenly see this kind of brinkmanship on budget debates no real you know real discussion of taxes or tax policy and you know at some point once you've given decades of your of your life what twenty just say i can't do it in. our i'm out i'm just i'm not taking this anymore i guess i'm just trying to be a little bit optimistic because of course senator mitch mcconnell said that the number one priority of course the famous sound bite now the number one priority for the republican party should be that president obama remain a one term president so if president obama is not a one term president i guess. am i being optimistic in thinking that perhaps they can get a little bit more done now and you're being overly optimistic at the end of the night i think we're going to have exactly what we had at the beginning of the night a republican house of representatives a senate led by the democrats and president obama most likely be reelected bottom
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line olympia snowe a stateswoman somebody did reach across the aisle didn't always agree with her but she did she tried and she threw up her hands would be great if people did in the cincinnatus style throw down their plow go serve and come back home to their field is great but when you have people who are our senior leaders in the legislature throwing up their hands as she said she did she's tired of it if you watch the sixty minute minutes interview even if you like those gentlemen personally you see read a mcconnell you see a couple of guys sitting there basically saying this is not going to get any better if romney is elected reads pretty much that i don't know that i can work with him it is not going to get better we're locked into this two party system i want to be a broken record a lot of this comes down to the fact that the constituencies he is the constituency of these legislators to some degree is their party and not the american people their district whoever that might be it's true up to the president as well so no i don't think it's going to get any better i think at the end of the night after we've had all this fun or have pretty much what we had going in and that's where it will be and i don't know that it does get a lot better i think it may even get worse and if that ten percent approval rating
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. and the other people have the congress of the congress they deserve when you elect people that you want to go in there and just bury you know dig your heels in and not move at all that's what you get you get a blockade of congress congress is yes it's in washington but congress comes from the state these people are all elected and sent there by voters out in the country and so this is if the message that from the voters is go lockin fight fight fight and not. maybe we lose this round but we'll come back and bite another day or that's ok you know ultimately the right thing was done if those aren't the messages that are going back to it and yet there could be there could be a lot of change here first of all i mean even ronald reagan carried california you know it's romney has not carried any of his three home state side and you know he lives in california right now he's not here in california i mean we're not calling it that i think it's fairly obvious he's that he's lost michigan and he's lost massachusetts where they really no i mean he was the governor and he's lost new
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hampshire to you know the state next door in the place where he has a summer home and where you know what he wants a lot of is to many one of many. and one of several out of many of his cadillacs are there but also i was in a meeting in las vegas a couple of weeks ago with harry reid and he struck this so we strongly implied or suggested that if the situation and i think we're seeing play out right now happens that there's a very very real chance that we're going to change the senate rules and blow up with the poster the flipside of that and the reason i think why you would say that is because the republicans came out about a month ago this internal memo was leaked to that said that they're going to they're going to start pushing stuff through if they if they took the senate they would push everything through by reconciliation in other words they would get around the filibuster so what the hell is get rid of the filibuster if that's the case then might we see a change we could see a change it'll be interesting to see him try to get rid of the filibuster it has deep roots it could be done it could be done i think we've seen a lot of procedural partisan game you know gamesmanship and it's turned into you
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know robert's rules of order up there instead of getting bad but i've said this before bottom line is when you live in a deeply divided country and nothing gets done that isn't that is right wrong or indifferent indicative of the electorate in other words when you when president obama comes in with hope and change in two thousand and eight skids kind of come on in two thousand and ten midterm elections nothing gets done the reason nothing's getting done in a in a split country in a democracy is because they can't come to terms with it and nobody wants to give sitting getting done because fourteen republicans met in a caucus room restaurant the night. the president obama was sworn into office including paul ryan who by the way has just lost his own state to the president and they had they met and basically swore a blood oath to each other jeb hensarling was saying we need to be like the taliban i mean they were literally invoking the taliban is their strategy to make obama one term president what i mean is blowing is the strategy of blowing up or i think i think in a line a lot of ways that as i think that one thing is that the senate is not meant to be kind of a popular democratic institution but it is meant to be a functional institution that does work in tandem with the house and when you have
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members of the leadership and the house saying you know we're going to collectively work with leadership in the senate to obstruct but that is not what it is intended to do and i think that it has backfired a little but i think people are very frustrated and it didn't when necessarily a fourth wave election it didn't actually get any more i don't think we're going to see more seats going republican in fact i think we are seeing a more progressive bent to some of the democrats that have that are going to be joining us in the senate these days erica community marc harrold want to thank you guys for joining us certainly some new numbers coming in from interesting information good to have your perspective thank you thank you both we want to bring you up to speed with one battleground state that's neck and neck with eighty percent of the precincts reporting president obama and mitt romney are literally tied at forty nine apiece also there are reports a very long lines of some florida voting polls and wall apollo a producer of from breaking the joins us live from miami with the latest manny. tom
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how are you great great to have you with us what it's exactly like you said we're seeing it was actually not a lot has changed today we're seeing the polls actually close at seven but if you were standing in line here in florida past seven o'clock you're still going to get a chance to vote in fact a lot of people have been waiting in line for for hours some of the folks that i talked to this morning were waiting in line for over eight hours and many of them not even having a chance to eat leave line just out of fear of losing their place in line but these folks are still going to get a chance. they have their voices heard many of them expect to be still casting their votes well beyond ten pm so i mean this is this is happening in several counties miami dade orange county palm beach county along with several other other problems a lot involved with these with the voting today but it looks like it's actually still going to be a pretty long night for voters here in florida florida certainly one of those states that that's hard to forget about because it's so close all the time but also because of what it brought us in the two thousand election hanging chads pregnant
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chads you know all that kind of stuff do you get the sense that you know some of those problems some of the problems in terms of the way people vote you know the confusion at those have been cleared up. i don't think so at all i think that a lot of it it's a lot of people are still surprised that there's so much confusion going on with with these different ways of voting and i can bring up a couple of examples that i've heard of just today from a lot of college students actually from the massive university of central florida campus in orlando were somewhere around fifty eight thousand students are actually having a really hard time casting their votes because of a new law here in florida that actually makes it more difficult for you to vote with your voter registration card having your home address on there and having a drift different address making it so that you have to vote with a provisional ballot now these provisional ballots in other in other counties specifically in palm beach county which has been more of a historically problematic county here in florida. like somewhere around thirty
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five thousand of these provisional ballots are having a hard time so we're seeing problems emerge merge and merge and we're still seeing a lot of these lines here in florida thirdly it's affecting quite a few people there many want to thank you for the update we're going to check back with you alone later a quick update on the electoral numbers one hundred fifty four for romney one hundred sixty two for obama election night coverage continues right after this break.
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